{"id":11909,"date":"2021-03-25T13:10:46","date_gmt":"2021-03-25T12:10:46","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/woodpecker.co\/blog\/?p=11909"},"modified":"2025-01-21T10:16:01","modified_gmt":"2025-01-21T09:16:01","slug":"customer-case-study-veth-group","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/woodpecker.co\/blog\/customer-case-study-veth-group\/","title":{"rendered":"Customer Case Study: How Veth Group Sets 1,000 Appointments a Month"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">One of the perks of being a content writer is that I get to talk to professionals who are experts in their fields.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Last week I had an insightful conversation with <a href=\"https:\/\/www.linkedin.com\/in\/milesveth\/\">Miles Veth<\/a>, CEO of <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/www.vethgroup.com\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Veth Group<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">, one of Woodpecker\u2019s partners.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We dug deep into their process of creating effective cold emails, the results the agency gets for their clients, and how Woodpecker fits into their daily workflow.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So let\u2019s cut to the chase &#8212; who is Veth Group?<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">About Veth Group<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Veth Group specializes in growing the outbound and inbound demand for their b2b clients\u2019 offerings. They mix empathy, creativity, technology, and analytics to determine the highest ROI messages and mediums for business growth.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">They are based in the US.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">How do you approach demand testing &amp; generation?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We see the space of demand generation as being very fluid.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In any given market there are different variables, and they change for each company.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If you\u2019re using an automation tool like Woodpecker to email 3,000 people 8 times, to then go back the next week and do it 8 times again, it might work less effectively than asking them to be on a podcast or running a Facebook ad at them, or posting on LinkedIn and tagging them.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So what we\u2019re trying to do in demand testing is figure out what the different levers that drive new business are, and how we can pull on those levers and coordinate them over time so someone ends up making a lot of money off it.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What were your best results so far?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The best one we had recently was when a client paid us about $20,000 to generate a $450,000 deal.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">In terms of appointments, in some cases with Woodpecker we\u2019ve gotten over 150 in a given month for a client for half the cost of an SDR.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That\u2019s the high water mark. On average we\u2019re trying to get about 20 appointments a month for a few thousands of dollars per month, so half the cost of an SDR.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And this depends. Some markets are much harder than others, the deals are different, but in general that\u2019s been our sweet spot.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\n<aside class=\"cta-block cta-block--a-version js-cta-block ab-no-10-cta-block ab-no-11-cta-block\">\n  <p class=\"cta-block__heading u-heading-preset-md-600\">Send powerful emails &amp; boost replies<\/p>\n  <div class=\"cta-block__form-container\">\n    <form class=\"js-cta-block-form\" action=\"https:\/\/woodpecker.co\/signup\/\" class=\"cta-block__button-only-form js-cta-block-no-input-form\">\n      \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n<button class=\"c-button js-button c-button--color-main c-button--size-small u-focus-visible-outline\">\nStart free trial\n<\/button>    <\/form>\n    \n    <form class=\"c-input-button-form js-cta-block-form cta-block__form\" action=\"https:\/\/woodpecker.co\/signup\/\" method=\"POST\" novalidate>\n        \n  <div class=\"c-form-field js-form-field  c-input-button-form__form-field\">\n    \n    <label class=\"c-label c-form-field__label\" for=\"cta-block-form-email-64047985\">Work email<\/label>\n\n                    \n  <input class=\"c-input  js-input c-input-button-form__input\" placeholder=\"will@woodpecker.co\" name=\"email\" id=\"cta-block-form-email-64047985\" type=\"email\" \/>\n            \n    <span class=\"c-form-field__error js-error\">\n                                      Invalid email format\n        \n\n                <\/span>\n  <\/div>\n\n        <div class=\"c-input-button-form__button\">\n          \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n<button class=\"cta-block__button c-button js-button c-button--color-main c-button--size-small u-focus-visible-outline\">\n                Start free trial\n        \n\n<\/button>        <\/div>\n\n            <\/form>\n  <\/div>\n<\/aside><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And what are your best open and reply rates?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">About 65% open rates for campaigns at scale, and the highest reply rate I\u2019ve seen recently was 27%.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What\u2019s your follow-up strategy?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I usually do 4-5 email sequences with 3 days apart in between them. It depends, but usually I\u2019ll see the most of the responses with the first 3 emails, and #4 and #5 taper off a little.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I like your creative approach to writing emails. What\u2019s your process to craft messages?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The biggest thing is to figure out what\u2019s already in all of our heads.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Many times people try to create attention for their brand or for a concept that\u2019s not already in our heads.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I might come up with a new word for my product, like \u201cemail digitization\u201d. Then I\u2019m trying to create lots of attention about email digitization. But the thing is, no one\u2019s ever heard of it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">If we were to instead talk about Star Wars\u2019 Mandalorian, everyone already knows what baby Yoda looks like. So I\u2019d much rather talk about Yoda and tie it to email digitization than just start from scratch.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Whether it\u2019s poetry or music, or ice cream, or books, or celebrities, I\u2019m much more fascinated with how you can take advantage of what\u2019s already embedded in our minds and link to it so it creates an analogy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Imagine if I were to target only females who know what EOS chapstick is. I could say \u201cjust like using EOS chapstick is one of the best feelings in the world, an even better feeling would be 85 appointments coming in for you\u201d. And then I\u2019m tying the analogy of you already knowing what it is to how I can help in a visceral way.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I think this is a lot more effective than the business jargon most people are using.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What kind of data do you use to build these analogies?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So if I were to do this for Woodpecker, I\u2019d ask myself two questions.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What am I moving someone towards with Woodpecker? <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">More time, more appointments, more revenue, more simplicity, making them look good in front of their boss.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What am I moving them away from? <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Manually sending from spreadsheets, having a hard time tracking blacklists &#8212; and then I would think of an analogy.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You guys are in Poland, so I\u2019d say \u201cJust like Lewandowski can glide up the field faster than anyone, we can glide in and out of people\u2019s inboxes even faster. Would you want to learn how?\u201d. The secret is simplicity. That\u2019s how you get to the core concept.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I\u2019m always looking for the analogy with your attention.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">I\u2019ll give you a story. I was at a baby shower a couple weeks ago and a stranger I\u2019d never met asked what I do, and after I explained, he said, \u201cRecently I got this amazing email about offering a steak lunch from a local restaurant\u201d. He started telling me all about it, and he didn\u2019t even know it was our company.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The bottom line is that people will still remember it if you mention the soccer player and the Mandalorian 3 or 4 days later, whereas most emails are just bland and boring.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">So it\u2019s the well-written and creative emails that win.<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Yeah, exactly. And that\u2019s where a lot of people say \u201cThat would never work in our industry\u201d, and then they close that $450,000 deal, and they see it does work.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We\u2019ve been using other channels, like podcast interviewing and LinkedIn brand, to support what we do with you guys at Woodpecker, but we\u2019ve been super impressed with your platform and how well it works.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We set up about a 1,000 appointments a month with Woodpecker, so it\u2019s pretty amazing what you do for us.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>\n<aside class=\"cta-block cta-block--a-version js-cta-block ab-no-10-cta-block ab-no-11-cta-block\">\n  <p class=\"cta-block__heading u-heading-preset-md-600\">Send powerful emails &amp; boost replies<\/p>\n  <div class=\"cta-block__form-container\">\n    <form class=\"js-cta-block-form\" action=\"https:\/\/woodpecker.co\/signup\/\" class=\"cta-block__button-only-form js-cta-block-no-input-form\">\n      \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n<button class=\"c-button js-button c-button--color-main c-button--size-small u-focus-visible-outline\">\nStart free trial\n<\/button>    <\/form>\n    \n    <form class=\"c-input-button-form js-cta-block-form cta-block__form\" action=\"https:\/\/woodpecker.co\/signup\/\" method=\"POST\" novalidate>\n        \n  <div class=\"c-form-field js-form-field  c-input-button-form__form-field\">\n    \n    <label class=\"c-label c-form-field__label\" for=\"cta-block-form-email-1151582107\">Work email<\/label>\n\n                    \n  <input class=\"c-input  js-input c-input-button-form__input\" placeholder=\"will@woodpecker.co\" name=\"email\" id=\"cta-block-form-email-1151582107\" type=\"email\" \/>\n            \n    <span class=\"c-form-field__error js-error\">\n                                      Invalid email format\n        \n\n                <\/span>\n  <\/div>\n\n        <div class=\"c-input-button-form__button\">\n          \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n<button class=\"cta-block__button c-button js-button c-button--color-main c-button--size-small u-focus-visible-outline\">\n                Start free trial\n        \n\n<\/button>        <\/div>\n\n            <\/form>\n  <\/div>\n<\/aside><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Which features are the most useful for your agency?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">One of the great things about Woodpecker is that it lets you pull all your customers in one central place for billing, and everything to do with account logistics, which has really streamlined our experience for our clients.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You\u2019ve built something very similar to an actual email inbox, and it\u2019s got lots of functionality, but at the same time is simple.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">It really is just phenomenal how you\u2019ve mixed simplicity and functionality.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Which Woodpecker feature is your favorite?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">You guys do an amazing job with customization, split testing and threading emails.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The analytics you give and how it can be streamlined with tools like Zapier right back to a client\u2019s inbox is amazing.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">What\u2019s your biggest challenge right now?<\/span><\/h2>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Operationalizing the creative process as we scale. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">We\u2019re about 11 people now, about double the size that we were even 3 months ago. We\u2019ve grown really quickly, very much thanks to you guys.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">***<\/span><\/p>\n<p>What do you think about this creative approach to writing cold emails? Do you think it would work for you? Feel free to let us know at blog@woodpecker.co.<\/p>\n<p>On a different note, if you&#8217;re i<span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">nterested in how Woodpecker Agency works, go <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/woodpecker.co\/agency\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">here<\/span><\/a>\u00a0for details.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Last week I had an insightful conversation with Miles Veth, CEO of Veth Group, one of Woodpecker\u2019s partners.\u00a0We dug deep into their process of creating effective cold emails, the results the agency gets for their clients, and how Woodpecker fits into their daily workflow.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":17,"featured_media":11910,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[7],"tags":[],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v20.11 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/wordpress\/plugins\/seo\/ -->\n<title>How Veth Group Sets 1,000 Appointments a Month with Woodpecker<\/title>\n<meta name=\"description\" content=\"&quot;Recently we generated a $450,000 deal&quot;. 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